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kmlussier says 09 : 54 Hi Daisy. Are you there? • • ddelano says 10 : 02 Yup I'm here • • kmlussier says 10 : 03 Hi Daisy! • • ddelano says 10 : 03 Hi I was just talking someone into taking this course if you offer it again • • kmlussier says 10 : 03 I think I may offer it again in the Fall. • • tcoish says 10 : 04 I think it has been very worthwhile • • kmlussier says 10 : 04 I'm not sure summer would be a good time for an online class. • • ddelano says 10 : 04 That's great I've really loved doing it Summer's tough • • kmlussier says 10 : 04 I'm glad you've enjoyed it. Daisy - have you had a chance to play with Facebook now that you've gotten on. • • tcoish says 10 : 04 You never know, (some) people have more time in the summer • • ddelano says 10 : 04 Yes I've have it's kind of a lot of work don't know if I'll stick with it or not. • • kmlussier says 10 : 05 That's
true. It may be better for school librarians. A couple of years ago, I
tried offering more classes geared towards school librarians in the
summer, and it worked out quite well. • • ddelano says 10 : 05 Did you read my blog entry about Comcast? • • kmlussier says 10 : 06 Daisy - I missed it. I haven't checked my feeds for a couple of days. • • ddelano says 10 : 06 Comcast found my Facebook rant and contacted me regarding my problem • • tcoish says 10 : 06 Wow! • • ddelano says 10 : 07 I know I was pretty blown away • • kmlussier says 10 : 07 I just skimmed the post. That's great! The power of blogging indeed! • • ddelano says 10 : 07 I know Comcast get a bad rap but you can't prove it by me • • kmlussier says 10 : 08 A
lot of companies pay money to have people scan the Internet for new
items that mention the company's name. Stephen Cohen, who did our
blogging and RSS class a couple of years ago, actually worked for a
company that specialized in products that did these things for
companies... • • ddelano says 10 : 08 I've heard the spiders associated with that kind of thing that should have been heard the term spiders • • kmlussier says 10 : 09 In
my RSS feeds, I actually have a subscription set up to notify me
whenever Google indexes a new site that mentions SEMLS or Southeastern
Massachusetts Library System. But I get a pretty manageable number of
items with that feed. I imagine it takes a lot more energy for Comcast
to weed through this information. I
don't know how many people are showing up today, so let's get started
and see who joins us. I was planning to start by talking about safety
and privacy for social networking sites... I'm sure you all remember when My Space was in almost every news headline a while back because of the dangers of predators... • • tcoish says 10 : 12 I
wondered if social networking would require parental signed approval
just like when parents of minors needed to sign that it was ok for
their children to have internet access when they sign up for a public
library card • • kmlussier says 10 : 12 For
the most part, people use MySpace without any trouble, but the risk of
a teen or older person coming across some danger is there. The bigger
risk, I think, is sharing private information that shouldn't be shared
with the world. Things that future employers or spouses may be able to
find. Theresa - that's an interesting question. I hadn't thought about that before. I'm wondering if it depends on how you use the social networking... If
you're using a blog that's only open to the school community, I don't
think it would be needed. But if it's available for others to read, it
may not be a bad idea. • • ddelano says 10 : 14 The
problem is kids don't have the inner filers that adults have to know
what should and shouldn't be shared sometimes and they put alot more
online than they should • • kmlussier says 10 : 14 On
the other hand, if you're setting up a page in Facebook that reaches
out to students who already have accounts, the assumption is that the
students set up the accounts on their own. • • tcoish says 10 : 15 With
regard to sharing private info-- the article in the Journal of Higher
Ed that I mentioned in a previous post and did bookmark in delicious,
talks about how schools can/should help college students protect
themselves from themselves. • • kmlussier says 10 : 15 Daisy
- that's true. But I think adults have a hard time sorting through the
stuff too. In our chat Monday night, one of the participants mentioned
a mother who posted photos of their kids, along with names, addresses,
etc. • • ddelano says 10 : 16 I know many parents don't have a clue about the internet the kids know more because they have grown up with it • • kmlussier says 10 : 16 I
do think traditionally parents have been the ones to instill some of
these values in their children, but, since all of this is so new, and
many parents aren't on these sites, they don't know what they should be
teaching them. • • tcoish says 10 : 17 That can be really scary. There was a gov't website about internet use that was really good for parents. • • kmlussier says 10 : 17 Theresa
- I saw the del.icio.us bookmark, but haven't had a chance to read the
article yet. Were there any tips that stuck out for you? • • ddelano says 10 : 17 We
have unfiltered internet stations here and we require the parent to
stay with their child while they are online and sometimes the parents
give us a hard time because they don't see the need At that point we try to educate them but sometimes it's a lost cause They just don't get it • • kmlussier says 10 : 18 Daisy
- But if there child accessed something inappropriate at the library,
they are very quick the library for not providing proper protection.
:-) At what age can a child use the Internet without parental
supervision. • • tcoish says 10 : 19 The
article pointed out how post grad students have lost job opportunities
because a prospective employer read about a night of partying that the
student had posted. Also giving out personal info is another big
problem. • • ddelano says 10 : 19 middle school but the parent has to sign for them to use it without supervision but your right the minute anything goes south they are pounding on our doors • • kmlussier says 10 : 20 I've
heard a lot about the potential employer issue. It sounds like Googling
a job candidate has become the norm for employers these days. And it's
hard to get teens to start thinking about that aspect of their lives. As
a parent, I know I have my son use the Internet on a family computer
that is viewable by everyone. I don't know what I will do when he's a
teen, but I think it's a good idea for parents to see what their kids
are doing. • • tcoish says 10 : 22 With Google, sometimes pages that are not currently active are kept in an archive and they can come up, too. • • ddelano says 10 : 22 Teens
are all about the day not the future and that's understandable but
there is going to have to be retraining of that mind set because the
internet isn't going away • • kmlussier says 10 : 22 Are
the things that librarians or teachers can do to teacher children and
teens the appropriate way to use social networking set? I think many
have heard teachers talk to them about it, but I was wondering if there
was a better way to get the message across. • • ddelano says 10 : 23 I
think parents who do what you do and set ground rules at a young age
have better luck with their kids as they grow older than parents who
just set up a computer in a kids room and let them at it • • tcoish says 10 : 24 Maybe a show and tell - going online and actually showing parents and kids examples or potential problems? • • kmlussier says 10 : 24 But
the reason I do that is because I'm very comfortable with the Internet
and know what kind of ground rules to set. When I talk to my former
high school classmates, I can tell they know very little about these
social networking sites, and talk about how their children are teaching
them. • • ddelano says 10 : 24 We've
talked about developing a workshop for both kids and parents on this
having them actually sit down and show them some of the pit falls Too true, too true I wonder what it will be like when the computer generation crowd have their own children • • kmlussier says 10 : 26 I
mentioned this in Monday's chat, but one hard way to get the message
across (I wouldn't recommend it) is something that happened on the
Vineyard. A couple of years ago, the local newspaper published pictures
and comments from the MySpace pages of local teenagers. The teens were
outraged that the paper had shared that "private" information, but
within a couple of weeks, almost every teen on the Vineyard had a My
Space page that was private. • • tcoish says 10 : 26 I
think that it is a challenge for parents and kids because the internet
is rapidly changing/evolving. There is something new everyday. I can
see how parents can get overwhelmed. It's hard because you want your friends to find you. • • kmlussier says 10 : 28 I
do think a show and tell is a good idea. Also, I think if you use these
tools in a closed environment, like a school, at a younger age,
teachers have the opportunity to see what kids are posting and to work
with them there. • • ddelano says 10 : 28 It's even hard for those of us who try to stay abreast so so I don't know if there is an answer to all this • • kmlussier says 10 : 28 Sorry
- that sentence made now sense...I mean they have the opportunity to
see what they are posting, and if there is something of concern, they
can talk about it with the students. • • ddelano says 10 : 29 Parents are so overwhelmed by just everyday stuff the internet is adding one more heavy item to the plate • • kmlussier says 10 : 29 But
even when the technologies are changing, many of the rules are the
same. Back in a Web 1.0 world, I remember talking to teens about not
posting their real names or addresses or phone numbers. • • ddelano says 10 : 30 I
guess what has to be done is set down a basics foundation no real names
addresses phone numbers keep drilling it and work from there • • kmlussier says 10 : 31 There
are some social networking sites for the under-10 crowd that do try to
work instill some of these tips in kids at a young age. My son uses a
site called Club Penguin that was actually created by a father
concerned with his kids' safety online. When they pick a screen name,
Club Penguin gives them tips for choosing anonymous names. The
technology filters out anything that could be a phone number or
address. • • ddelano says 10 : 32 Do
the action and result thing if you do this, this can happen then not
with little kids but with teens give them some serious examples and just keep reinforcing I've heard of Club Penguin but never checked it out • • kmlussier says 10 : 33 It's a cute site. We've
found in My Own Cafe that allowing teenagers take responsibility for a
community has good results too. We were a little nervous about allowing
teenagers to be moderators of the boards, but we've found that they
tend to be stricter than we are about what can be posted. In the
beginning, there were a few members who posted their photos with their
user names. Now, most use avatars. • • tcoish says 10 : 34 True,
can you imagine if a national newspaper published our photos, and
contact info? I think that teens don't understand how many people have
access to them - there really is a loss of privacy. • • kmlussier says 10 : 35 Theresa
- that's a scary thought. I used to be very good about keeping my
information private on the Internet. But, the longer I'm on, the more I
slide into sharing information. • • ddelano says 10 : 35 Actually
I was just thinking prehaps getting a group of teen together at the
library once a week to develope a program for other teens on net safety
then let them do the training. Teens will listen to other teens • • kmlussier says 10 : 36 Daisy
- that's a great idea! You're right. Teens won't listen to adults, but
they will listen to each other. And the ones developing the program
will get a lot of it, because they will have to take a serious look at
the issue. • • tcoish says 10 : 36 You
know as I was getting started with this course, I used my first initial
and last name so you and my classmates could id me, but as the weeks
went by, I asked myself, Why didn't I use some other name? • • ddelano says 10 : 38 That
is something the library could do pretty easy sent out an annoucment to
the high schools then just work with the group as advisors once done they could train both at the library and in schools gad my typing always gets worse as chats go along • • kmlussier says 10 : 39 That's
a question. When we started, I initially started using the names I used
with people when I see them in person. But then I realized I should use
the name they introduced themselves with in the wiki in case they were
trying to keep some level of anonymity, although nobody used a totally
made-up name. But if you feel uncomfortable with anything and want me
to remove it from the wiki or from the chat transcript. Just let me
know. • • tcoish says 10 : 40 A teen program by teens would probably satisfy a community service requirement. • • ddelano says 10 : 41 Oooooo community service requirement I hadn't thought of that another selling point • • kmlussier says 10 : 41 We've
looked at a lot of online tools with this class, and my expectation is
that you will not go off now and start using all of them. Which
application do you think you're most likely to use in your libraries
once we're done with this class? If you weren't using some of them
already. • • ddelano says 10 : 42 Blogging, delicious, RSS, wiki. We want to do more with podcasting and I'm hoping to set up a podcating blog very soon I think we are going to do some podcasting with our summer program • • kmlussier says 10 : 43 So you're going to do everything!  • • ddelano says 10 : 43 Well maybe not Facebook. • • kmlussier says 10 : 43 What type of podcasting do you want to do for your summer programming. • • ddelano says 10 : 44 Last
year we had a writing workshop and then had the kids record their
stories and the winning story won and Ipod. This year we were thinking
of have a book discussion with kids podcasting reviews • • kmlussier says 10 : 45 We
do have a Podcast Factory in our office that we sometimes lend to
libraries if they want to do podcasting. We only have one now, but have
talked about buying more to lend out to libraries. It just provides a
nice microphone and some software on CD's that you need for podcasting.
But all the software can be downloaded for free from the Internet. • • ddelano says 10 : 46 Podcasting is pretty easy and the kids love, love, loved it!! • • kmlussier says 10 : 46 I
like that idea. I think I prefer podcasts where the patrons or students
are creating them than when librarians do them, unless the librarian is
somebody who can keep it entertaining. • • tcoish says 10 : 46 I think that students could podcast their final projects. Their parents would enjoy them. • • kmlussier says 10 : 47 I
think there's something about creating something with audio and/or
visual components rather than the typical written word. It has more of
the student in it. • • ddelano says 10 : 47 We like the idea of patron created content over library staff too. • • kmlussier says 10 : 48 Is there anything in this class you found you didn't like or would never use? I have a feeling I know how you'll respond Daisy. • • ddelano says 10 : 49 Well I don't hate Facebook but I think there should be some info about the pitfalls of spam filters • • tcoish says 10 : 49 Well
so much is facial today. Remember all those self help books that say
public speaking is the #1 worst. I think podcasting can help teens
begin to develop speaking skills that will be useful through out their
lives. • • kmlussier says 10 : 49 But in your case, it really wasn't spam filters, was it? It sounds like you checked your spam folders. But
I may put something up at the beginning of this class in the future
about working with Spam filters. Just that people should use an e-mail
account where they can access their spam folder and to check there if
initial confirmations do not go through. • • ddelano says 10 : 51 It
would be nice if maybe once during the course we could try to get
together in RL just to talk face to face once. Tough I've really loved
this whole experience I did kind of miss the face to face • • tcoish says 10 : 52 I
think that just about everything I learned was helpful. I had a slow
start with Technarati but I hope to overcome my doubt with it. Also, I
need to work on filtering my RSS feeds • • kmlussier says 10 : 52 Theresa
- I hadn't thought of that benefit of podcasting. I always hated public
speaking when I was younger, and I'm amazed to be in a job where I do
so much of it. But I'm wondering if that skill would transfer once
somebody is in front of a live audience. • • tcoish says 10 : 52 I'm going to have to sign off now. Thanks! • • kmlussier says 10 : 53 I'm glad you could make it on Theresa! Thanks for joining us! Daisy
- I had thought of building in a face to face component. Linda did it
for her online class, and I think it has its advantages. But, in the
end, I thought it might discourage some people from signing up if they
can't get out of their buildings. We've reached a few people in this
class who never make it to SEMLS for classes... Maybe we can do a Learning 2.0 party! • • ddelano says 10 : 54 I
really hope I can get more of our staff not only to try some of the
things I've learned here but also to try this course and to get them
out to some of the SEMLs workshops • • kmlussier says 10 : 55 Before we sign off, Daisy, is there anything that you had hoped to learn in the class that we didn't get to? We'll be asking it in an upcoming evaluation, but sometimes you get better feedback when you're in a live conversation. • • ddelano says 10 : 55 No I can honestly say it reached all my expectaions and more. It's been a fun ride! • • kmlussier says 10 : 56 Great! I'm just surprised it's gone by so quickly. I look forward to see what you do with all this stuff in Taunton! • • ddelano says 10 : 57 I'm sure I'll be at another SEMLS workshop real soon. Thanks for all your hard work • • kmlussier says 10 : 57 I'll see you soon! • • ddelano says 10 : 57 So long | |
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