kmlussier :
Hi Jocelyn and Sue. Can you see my message?
Anyone there?
Tue, 19 May, 14:17
Sue Hughey :
yes,I'm here
Tue, 19 May, 14:17
kmlussier :
Hi Sue! Glad to see you made it in.
Tue, 19 May, 14:17
jocelyntavares :
I am here
Tue, 19 May, 14:17
kmlussier :
Almost didn't make it in time. Had a meeting this morning that went through 3 1/2 hours. Phew!
Tue, 19 May, 14:18
Sue Hughey :
After that, you need a break, or at least some chocolate
Tue, 19 May, 14:18
kmlussier :
Well, I'm at Panera now. There's plenty of chocolate close by.
Tue, 19 May, 14:18
jocelyntavares :
That is a very nice place to hold a meeting. Sure you just want this to be chat?
Tue, 19 May, 14:19
kmlussier :
If you can make it up to the Panera in Waltham, come on up!
Was planning to do it from home, but I never would have made it in time.
Tue, 19 May, 14:20
Sue Hughey :
Sorry, a bit too far, but I do love Panera.
Tue, 19 May, 14:20
jocelyntavares :
Me too...I never go there to just sit...
I want to be one of those people who can go there every morning for coffee and the paper. I love Panera.
Tue, 19 May, 14:22
kmlussier :
That would be nice. I usually go on days when I telecommute since I can't get much work done with the kids at home. But I haven't telecommuted in ages.
Tue, 19 May, 14:22
jocelyntavares :
My husband works at home, and I am amazed that he stays home. I would want to bring my work there. He never does.
Tue, 19 May, 14:23
Sue Hughey :
My computer is running this chat along like ticker tape across the top of my screen. I feel like I'm a reporter or something.
Tue, 19 May, 14:23
kmlussier :
I don't know what your preference is, but some people find it confining to chat in this small window. If you click on the maximize button in the upper right corner of your chat window, you can work from a bigger screen.
Tue, 19 May, 14:23
Sue Hughey :
Great! Much better
Tue, 19 May, 14:24
kmlussier :
The interface has changed a little since the last time I taught this class. I'm hoping I don't come across any unpleasant surprises.
Hi Debbie. Are you there?
Tue, 19 May, 14:26
Sue Hughey :
Should we wait to type if someone else is typing?
Tue, 19 May, 14:26
dwalgreen :
I'm here
Tue, 19 May, 14:26
kmlussier :
No, it's fairly typical to type at the same time.
Great!
Let's wait a few more minutes to see if anyone else arrives. I can then talk a little more about chat etiquette.
Tue, 19 May, 14:27
Sue Hughey :
I'll be back in a few minutes...
I'm baaaack.
Tue, 19 May, 14:31
kmlussier :
OK - I think I'm going to get started. We may have some people who come in a little late.
I'm going to start with a little chat etiquette for anyone who may not have participated in a chat before...
because everyone is typing, chat conversations can be a little slow moving, and you may have more two or three threads of conversation going on at the same time...
It's a good idea to post your thoughts in short snippets. If you are in the middle of a thought, you can end your post with three dots (...) to let everyone know you're still talking.
Oops, forgot the three dots...
Because there are separate threads going on at the same time, if you are responding to a comment made by a specific person, it's a good idea to start your post with that person's name...
I mentioned this already, but I don't think Debbie was here yet. If you prefer to work in a bigger chat window, you can hit the maximize button in the upper right corner.
Hi Barb! Are you there?
Any questions about chatting?
Tue, 19 May, 14:34
dwalgreen :
Debbie is here!
Tue, 19 May, 14:35
kmlussier :
Hi Debbie!
Starting off, are there any technical problems or issues you're having with the class?
Tue, 19 May, 14:36
jocelyntavares :
Hi Kathy, I just have a problem seeing the...
video streams without interruption.
Tue, 19 May, 14:36
moocow52 :
Hi Kathy,
Tue, 19 May, 14:36
kmlussier :
Without interruption from your surrounding environment?
Tue, 19 May, 14:36
moocow52 :
I'm here. Thanks Barb
Tue, 19 May, 14:37
kmlussier :
Hi Barb! Glad you could join us!
Tue, 19 May, 14:37
Sue Hughey :
What's a video stream?
Tue, 19 May, 14:37
jocelyntavares :
No. The stream just doesn't flow smoothly...
starts and stops. and starts again.
Tue, 19 May, 14:37
kmlussier :
Oh, okay. It could be a matter or bandwidth or an older computer. Does anyone else have that problem?
Tue, 19 May, 14:38
moocow52 :
no--Barb
Tue, 19 May, 14:38
kmlussier :
I probably should have a backup PowerPoint in case there are issues with the video.
Sue - the video streams are the videos that I usually use for an overview of that week's topic.
Tue, 19 May, 14:38
dwalgreen :
No--Debbie
Tue, 19 May, 14:39
kmlussier :
Jocelyn - does it just happen with my videos or the ones on YouTube as well? The ones from YouTube are the ones we've used in the past two weeks.
Tue, 19 May, 14:39
jocelyntavares :
Kathy-it happened with both....
at home and at work...not sure why...
Tue, 19 May, 14:40
kmlussier :
I used to have that trouble when I was working on a Windows 98 computer. It would happen with all types of video.
For mine, I can make it as a separate download. that might work better since you won't need to rely on bandwidth to view them.
Has there been any other technical trouble?
Tue, 19 May, 14:40
Sue Hughey :
One of the videos did start & stop, but I can't remember which one.
Tue, 19 May, 14:41
jocelyntavares :
No other technical problems here..that's it.
kmlussier added janeteckert
Tue, 19 May, 14:41
dwalgreen :
Sometimes, at work, the video will not run - Debbie
Tue, 19 May, 14:41
kmlussier :
Hi Janet. Are you there?
Tue, 19 May, 14:41
janeteckert :
I am
Tue, 19 May, 14:41
kmlussier :
Great! Glad you could make it!
Tue, 19 May, 14:41
janeteckert :
Many thanks
Tue, 19 May, 14:42
kmlussier :
I was just asking the group if they have any technical problems they need help with.
If the class were to end today, which application do you think you would make the most use of?
Tue, 19 May, 14:43
dwalgreen :
I've had a few firewall issues also. Whatever I can't pick up at my school I get at home - Debbie
Tue, 19 May, 14:43
jocelyntavares :
I think RSS. I like it a lot.
Tue, 19 May, 14:43
kmlussier :
Debbie, I'm actually surprised you've been able to do as much as you have from school. Most of the school librarians who have taken this class has to do most of it at home. Is it the filters that are blocking it?
Tue, 19 May, 14:44
dwalgreen :
I think so- Debbie
Tue, 19 May, 14:44
janeteckert :
Kathy - your question is very hard for me to answer - I would have to say that Flickr and Google Reader are tied for first place
Tue, 19 May, 14:44
kmlussier :
There's been a lot of mixed reaction to the RSS week.
Tue, 19 May, 14:44
Sue Hughey :
I've come to like blogging, and I hope to help our techie person here with the library blog. But, personally, I want to utilize Flicker
Tue, 19 May, 14:45
jocelyntavares :
Janet, i like flickr too. not sure i'd keep up with it.
Tue, 19 May, 14:46
moocow52 :
I like Flickr too, but my interest is in copyright-free to use images for classes and Powerpoints. I think the blogging will be useful too.--Barb
Tue, 19 May, 14:46
kmlussier :
I use Flickr a lot for personal use. We also just set up our first official SEMLS Flickr account. We've started posting our AccuCut collection there.
Tue, 19 May, 14:46
dwalgreen :
I think I would use google reader and flickr- Debbie
Tue, 19 May, 14:46
janeteckert :
What excited me the most about Flickr was learning about how easy it is to locate quality photos that are available to non profits and don't violate copyright
Tue, 19 May, 14:47
Sue Hughey :
Kathy, great on the accu-cut info. That is my favorite thing to do at SEMLS.
Tue, 19 May, 14:47
kmlussier :
I've started using a lot of Creative Commons licensed photos from Flickr from my PowerPoints.
Tue, 19 May, 14:47
moocow52 :
(What is Accu-cut?)
Tue, 19 May, 14:47
kmlussier :
Barb - were you the person who had talked about using Flickr for archival photos? I can't remember.
Tue, 19 May, 14:48
moocow52 :
Yes, I've found CC photos in Flickr, but I try to start the search from CC. Not all of flickr is free to use.--Barb
Tue, 19 May, 14:48
kmlussier :
Accu-Cut is a collection of dies we lend out to libraries so that they can easily make paper cutouts. It's mostly used by our children's collections.
Tue, 19 May, 14:48
moocow52 :
No, someone else suggested Flickr for archives, but I'm passing that idea along!--Barb
Tue, 19 May, 14:49
kmlussier :
There are several libraries who have put historical photos on Flickr. Boston Public Library has a collection there, and Library of Congress has a wonderful collection.
Tue, 19 May, 14:49
moocow52 :
Thanks. I'll make a note--Barb
janeteckert turned on guest access
Tue, 19 May, 14:50
kmlussier :
Sue - you said you've come to like blogging. How does your library manage the interactivity with blogging. Do you moderate comments or let patrons post them live?
Tue, 19 May, 14:51
Sue Hughey :
Kathy - I don't know. I've seen only one comment. I'll have to ask Amanda (techie girl).
Tue, 19 May, 14:52
kmlussier :
OK, but I'll put that question to the entire group. What are your thoughts on allowing unmoderated comments on your blogs or Flickr accounts or wikis?
Tue, 19 May, 14:52
moocow52 :
Someone was using blogs for book groups? I think that sounded neat. The question of moderating remains, of course.--Barb
Tue, 19 May, 14:53
Sue Hughey :
Kathy - Amanda says she moderates them. They go to her email & she approves them.
Tue, 19 May, 14:54
dwalgreen :
Is a wiki a practical appliation to use for a book club? - Debbie
Tue, 19 May, 14:54
kmlussier :
A wiki can be used for a book group. I think a couple of the examples I posted this week did involve book discussion...
It depends on your purpose. I think a blog is more appropriate when the library has a book group where a particular title is selected for each discussion. The library staff member can post information about that particular title on the blog, and then participants can post their comments and answer discussion questions in the comments...
A wiki is better suited for a forum where many people are posting the book titles. So, maybe it wouldn't really be a book discussion group. But it could be a place where you invite the public to post their own titles that they recommend.
Since multiple people can post to a wiki, it may be more suitable for an environment where everyone is contributing...
Does that make sense?
Tue, 19 May, 14:57
dwalgreen :
Yes--Debbie
Tue, 19 May, 14:58
Sue Hughey :
I was thinking of trying to use my blog as a book discussion tool. Do you think I'd get many kids to participate? How would I reach them? School contacts? English classes?
Tue, 19 May, 14:59
moocow52 :
As part of the summer reading program?--Barb
Tue, 19 May, 14:59
kmlussier :
From what I've seen happening in libraries that have used it as a book discussion tool, I would say you would have better luck if you have an existing group that is already talking about books...
Or, if you don't have that pre-existing group, it may be good to start it off as a group that occasionally meets in person, but then brings that discussion online in between meetings....
Despite what people may say about online interaction, I do think there is a need for face-to-face interaction that keeps people's interest in an online project...
Tue, 19 May, 15:01
Sue Hughey :
Barb - Not necessarily, but that would be a great place to make the contacts. Kathy - we had a discussion group, but it only lasted 3 years, then died a slow and horrible death. The last person hanging in with me wanted to do a newsletter instead, so she & I do one every 2 months or so.
Tue, 19 May, 15:02
janeteckert :
I really like the way that Vickie is using the SEMLS Summer Reading Blog to showcase updates - http://beyondthestarsatsemls.blogspot.com/
Tue, 19 May, 15:02
kmlussier :
When we launched My Own Cafe, a teen Web site sponsored by our region, we found that the teens wanted to have periodic face-to-face gatherings, and those gatherings cemented the online conversation.
Barb - was your discussion group entirely online?
Tue, 19 May, 15:03
moocow52 :
Kathey: that was just a suggestion/question. I haven't participated in/sponsored an online group--Barb
Tue, 19 May, 15:06
jocelyntavares :
How would a chat work for book discussion? Too hard?
Tue, 19 May, 15:06
kmlussier :
Going back to the idea of moderated comments vs. unmoderated comments, I do like to advocate for libraries to at least try unmoderated comments, especially when using a tool that's being used to support interaction, such as a book discussion blog.
Jocelyn - I think chat would be wonderful for book discussion. The biggest problem would be finding a time that works for everyone, but you encounter that problem with an in-person book group. The advantage of a blog is that people can log in at any time.
But, if people can log in at any time, they sometimes never get to it. If you offer chat, they know they have to be there at a specific date and time to be there.
Tue, 19 May, 15:09
Sue Hughey :
Kathy - I like the face-to-face interaction idea. I love to meet & greet the kids. Jocelyn - this is my first chat experience, but I know that the kids would relate to this. Great idea!
Tue, 19 May, 15:10
jocelyntavares :
I agree face-to-face is important.....
I am trying to wrap my head around how we can use these tools here...
Tue, 19 May, 15:10
kmlussier :
And it could really be all three. Maybe a face-to-face to meet each other, some chats, and a blog. This chat service, as well as most others, will build a transcript of the chat. You could always post the transcript for participants who could not be there.
Tue, 19 May, 15:11
Sue Hughey :
Kathy - I'd need you to hold my hand for that!!!!
Tue, 19 May, 15:11
kmlussier :
That's what I'm here for!!!
Tue, 19 May, 15:11
dwalgreen :
I agree.. I think some face-to-face and some blogging--Debbie
Tue, 19 May, 15:13
kmlussier :
Jocelyn raised the question of how we can use these tools for our users. In last week's class, there was a lot of discussion about whether these tools could bring more users into the library, which may be more of a public library question. But we also have people in this chat who are from academic and school libraries. What exactly are our goals in using Web 2.0 tools?
Tue, 19 May, 15:14
jocelyntavares :
I feel like I need to know how to use new tools....
but I also want to keep up with library users and what they are doing...
Tue, 19 May, 15:14
Sue Hughey :
I didn't have any goals for using them...I just wanted to know what everyone was talking about. Every single thing in this course is brand new to me.
Tue, 19 May, 15:14
jocelyntavares :
and how we can meet them halfway.
Tue, 19 May, 15:14
moocow52 :
To connect with our patrons using their communication methods?
Tue, 19 May, 15:15
dwalgreen :
All of these applications are new to me and I still have a lot to learn...
I would like to practice using all of these tools much more....teach students how to use them... and find a practical use for my library-Debbie
Tue, 19 May, 15:17
Sue Hughey :
Barb - yes, that is the future, especially for me in the children's area.
Tue, 19 May, 15:17
moocow52 :
Many of our patrons can teach US about the tools!--Barb
Tue, 19 May, 15:17
kmlussier :
When we talk about using the communication methods of our patrons, I think the next few weeks of this class where we talk about Facebook and Twitter will be key. That's really where are patrons are, except for those of you working in children's services.
Tue, 19 May, 15:18
jocelyntavares :
Kathy-I really think the library needs to be on Facebook...
I just want to maintain my privacy on Facebook as well!
Tue, 19 May, 15:18
moocow52 :
I understand that e-mail is "ancient history" for many kids.--Barb
Tue, 19 May, 15:18
kmlussier :
Barb - that's a good point! They can teach us about these tools, and, even if we don't use them, we at least want to look like we know what they're talking about when they talk about them.
E-mail is for old people, and, from some articles I've read lately, Facebook is for old people too. But we'll get to that in week six!
Tue, 19 May, 15:19
jocelyntavares :
Old people? Yikes!
Tue, 19 May, 15:19
moocow52 :
kathy--Interesting! -Barb
Tue, 19 May, 15:19
dwalgreen :
I know the students at my school are very familiar with facebook and myspace. Some still email. I'm not sure how many blog.
Tue, 19 May, 15:20
jocelyntavares :
"maintain my privacy on Facebook" sounds kind of dumb, doesn't it-Jocelyn
Tue, 19 May, 15:20
Sue Hughey :
It figures e-mail is for old people---I use it!
Tue, 19 May, 15:20
kmlussier :
Debbie, even though I still include blogging in this class, I'm beginning to wonder if it's a technology that has passed us by. Yes, Facebook and MySpace are big, and I know several library teachers who are on Facebook simply because it is the best way to get the word out to their students.
Jocelyn - At MLA, there was an interesting discussion about the need to have two Facebook accounts, one used personally and one used professionally.
Tue, 19 May, 15:22
janeteckert :
MLA was excellent - I attended a wonderful program on Social Networking and Intellectual Freedom - I am now looking for libraries that have social networking policies
Tue, 19 May, 15:22
kmlussier :
We're almost at the end of our chat time. To finish up, I'm wondering if there is any tool we've explored thus far that you really don't like or see no practical use for?
Tue, 19 May, 15:23
Sue Hughey :
Jocelyn - no, it's not dumb to want to have some privacy...real life has public & private parts to it.
Tue, 19 May, 15:23
jocelyntavares :
Kathy-I am not there yet...but wondering about Twitter's use.
Janet-was the policy for patrons or for the library's social networking sites?
Tue, 19 May, 15:23
kmlussier :
Janet - Whitman has a social networking policy that covers the library's presence on sites like Facebook and twitter. Kingston has one that relates to staff use of social networking sites at work.
I can forward those policies along to you. In face, I think I'll post them to the course wiki since it could be used by several in the class.
Tue, 19 May, 15:24
jocelyntavares :
Sue-it's just funny when you put yourself "out there"
Tue, 19 May, 15:24
janeteckert :
The policy is for the library - to define what its goal is for social networking - to clearly define why it has - or does not have - a Facebook, Twitter, Myspace (or other Web 2.0 type page) ....
Tue, 19 May, 15:25
kmlussier :
Jocelyn, we'll have a whole week devoted to Twitter at the end of the class. Do you have any specific questions?
Tue, 19 May, 15:25
jocelyntavares :
Kathy-just not understanding why Twitter has taken off the way it has.
Tue, 19 May, 15:25
Sue Hughey :
Janet - I know, I can talk about anything to anyone, but to see my thoughts in print is a whole different thing. Scary,
Tue, 19 May, 15:25
dwalgreen :
There really isn't one application that we learned I didn't like. I just don't think I will have the time to use them all..
Tue, 19 May, 15:26
kmlussier :
It puzzles me too. I think a lot of it is just the fact that it's the "new" thing everyone's talking about, although it's not so new.
Tue, 19 May, 15:26
janeteckert :
Thank you, all! I am really enjoying this class and would not change a think (thank you, too, for the policy info)
Tue, 19 May, 15:26
dwalgreen :
I will have to decide which one's are best for me and best fit the needs of my library.
Tue, 19 May, 15:26
kmlussier :
That's good to here Debbie!
Sue, the rule of thumb I've always heard is to not post anything online that you wouldn't want published on the front page of the newspaper.
I'm going to wrap up the discussion now. I will be posting this transcript to the wiki at the end of the week after we're done with the second chat. Are there any other questions before we sign off?
Tue, 19 May, 15:29
Sue Hughey :
Katy - I don't see much use for LibraryThing. But I think I could have been a good cataloger...I like things precise & authoritative.
Tue, 19 May, 15:29
janeteckert :
I'm all set - many thanks
Tue, 19 May, 15:29
dwalgreen :
No questions here... Thanks Kathy...Debbie
Tue, 19 May, 15:30
Sue Hughey :
Thanks!
Tue, 19 May, 15:30
moocow52 :
Thanks--Barb
Tue, 19 May, 15:30
jocelyntavares :
I am good, too. Thanks, Kathy. this has been good.:
Tue, 19 May, 15:30
kmlussier :
Sue, another service that might be more useful than library thing is a site like Good Reads. That may also be a good place for book discussion groups, but not for kids.
thanks all for taking the time for chat!
Tue, 19 May, 15:31
janeteckert :
bye